Saturday, April 08, 2006

Misguided Compassion Toward Gays


OK...I am really really having a difficult time understanding some of these comments coming from people involved in the Emergent church as they talk about the issue of homosexuality.

For example:

"some of the most Christ-like and compassionate Christians I have met are gay"

"I have met extremely compassionate and heartfelt lovers of Jesus Christ who are gay"

"Proclaim God's love and acceptance for them the same way Jesus proclaimed God inclusion for those forced to the margins by the dominant religion of his day"

"When your church is full of gay folks and most of your peers are doubting your salvation then you will know you have walked with Jesus"

"Then I realized that it was a Gay Pride parade, and there were biker lesbians making out on a blanket on the lawn, etc etc. And then I looked across the street, and saw these protesters with signs like YOU WILL BURN IN HELL, and GOD HATES FAGS. And suddenly, to me, the evil that the protesters were perpetrating was more abhorrent to me than anything the gays and lesbians were doing inside or outside of their bedrooms."

"We need to reach out to everyone, including the GLT (gay, lesbian, transgender) community, with friendship, love, and interest in them, without any expectations for them to change. Allow them the space to feel like they can belong with no strings attached. "


These people seem to be more concerned with how homosexuals are treated by those who cry the warning that homosexuality is an abomination to God than they are about the eternal destiny of a person who refuses to repent from this sin of sodomy.

We are being pressured to believe that opposing sodomy is more offensive to God than the act of sodomy. I have read in the bible that when a man lies with another man as one would lie with a woman it is an abomination to God. So now am I to believe that Jesus just hung out with homosexuals regularly and "loved" them by just allowing them to be who they are without ever confronting their sinfulness toward him or demanding that they repent of their sin? If this was true were the homosexuals ever repelled by Christ's holiness? Strange, I have never read in the bible that Jesus hung out with homosexuals but that doesn't stop people from claiming that he did (I guess that's part of the re-imagined christian faith)...yet I have read in the bible that God sees homosexuality as an abominable sin. Interesting how they use their imagination to add to what is not written in the bible and conveniently ignore what is.

These people who feel this way need to remember that the same Jesus whose teachings they claim to adhere to is also the same Holy Spirit who inspired men to write the scriptures which state clearly that homosexuality is a sin.

I understand that traditionally the church has been weak in reaching out to the needs of homosexuals therefore the emergent crowd, eager to help these people (I believe they are sincere) take it to the other extreme with a misguided compassion believing that the way to help them is to be comfortable with their "alternate" lifestyle and avoid defining it as the bible defines it– as sin. They better be careful. If they are choosing to side with the homosexual community and not call it a sin then they opposing God and his word.

When this issue is handled this way I get very uncomfortable because I know that God does want us to have compassion for sinners–all sinners. I know that some who oppose sinful lifestyles may not always be dealing with it in an outwardly loving manner and I would not condone everyone's methodology, but the very fact that they are calling it what it is accurately according to scripture IS a form of love because they have the decency to tell someone the truth about their sinful choices. I'd hate to go to a doctor and have him beat around the bush about a terminal disease I have which is exactly what sin is in a spiritual sense. A doctor such as this would be of no value to the patient if he could not clearly explain the disease and then offer the remedy. Are we not to tell them the consequences if they continue in their sin? (unless of course there is a re-definition of the consequences).

I also know that it is our absolute stance against sinfulness which is what causes the world to hate us. Jesus did say the world will hate us. The world will hate us because the world loves darkness rather than light. And as we bring the light of God's truth as ONLY found in His holy inspired word we should expect to get reactions of defiance and animosity.

Genuine christians will have compassion for the lost–thieves, murderers, rapists, liars, cheats etc., You don't generally see anyone crying to reach out to rapists or murderers the same way they do for homosexuals because society in general believes that murder is sin, wrong, and evil. However, our society today DOES NOT believe that homosexuality is a sin, it's just not the best choice you can make for your life. This sounds exactly like the positions taken by those involved in the Emergent church each time the issue comes up. So whenever you see christians take a bold stand against this sin, in particular, the theologically liberal side of evangelicalism is right there ready to stand side by side with the homosexual movement condemning christians.

I don't get it.

This Emergent church movement crowd is following right along in typical relevant postmodern like fashion as lemmings running to their death into the sea...and as they are running getting mad at the person holding a sign warning them of their impending doom. They ought to come to a screeching halt thanking that person for warning them.

THIS POST from Dan Kimball's blog talks about what happened to him one day when he unknowingly stumbled upon a gay pride parade in his town.

The quotes listed in the beginning of this article are from readers responding Dan Kimball's post.

I don't know what is going on. I cannot understand why so many in this emergent movement are so quick to side with those engaged in sodomy and so easily condemn and oppose christians who are trying to take a stand against sin.

I find no glee in addressing an issue like this. I have compassion for the lost. But if I truly love some one I am going to tell them the truth even though they may not like to hear it. All sinners need to repent and cling to Christ for forgiveness. No one person is any better than the other. We have all offended God. But if I want to abide in Christ then I need to have his word abide in me. Therefore I need to know what his word says and submit to his will as clearly taught in his word. This will enable me to see his truth, his requirements and see my sin clearly.

-KTO

––by the way

If you want to check out more of this blending of dark and light then you can listen to THESE AUDIOS of Tony Campolo and his wife when speaking to the "gay christian" network (isn't that an oxymoron?). It's not directly connected to the above info but it's just more of the same old same old postmodern emergent compromising and re-inventing of the christian faith.

12 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

that was some hard hitting commentary

12:24 PM  
Blogger Andy said...

Obviously homosexuality is a sin in practice, but is it wrong in orientation? Is it wrong for a man to be attracted to another man if he does not indulge and tempting thoughts? Can gay people help who they are attracted to? I havnt done any research on it, what do you all think.

10:16 PM  
Blogger KCO said...

Andy,
More good questions. I'm sure many people are also wondering about the same things.

No one is born gay. The bible never describes anyone in that way. Scripture only refers to the sinful acts and attractions people commit. I'm planning to write on that soon.

Romans chapter one is where you should start when looking at this issue.

The problem with homosexuality is in the heart first. In Rom. 1 those involved in the sin first allowed unnatural attraction (temptation) they had towards the same sex to develop into acts of sin. I, as a man, do not believe it is a sin to admire another man. But I must ask myself, is my admiration because of the godly character of that person and some other noble trait or is there an attraction based on lustful reasons, e.g. physical attraction or covetousness. If it is the latter two reasons, then it is unnatural and therefore against the way God made me and therefore the beginning of sin.

Many who practice homosexuality had already first committed the sin in their heart before the acts even occurred by looking to another person of the same sex to fulfill the things or a role God intended only for the opposite sex to fulfill, i.e. emotional stability, physical touch, deep intense intimacy, sex, etc. (things designed for marriage). Brokeback Mountain is a good example of this occurring.

The admiration should NEVER have a romantic side to it. Man's body was made by God for woman's body only, never a man's body (the mirror tells us this). That's why man with man or woman with woman is called unnatural in Romans 1. It is an insult to the image of God in which we were all made.

The devil loves to pervert healthy normal admiration into an unhealthy unnatural attraction called homosexuality. It totally ruins what could have been a good, normal friendship where both people respect each other for the biblical, godly characteristics of the individual, not for lustful reasons. The last commandment pertains to this, thou shalt not covet (Exodus 20).
Look at these verses below. I hope this helps.


Rom.1:26.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

-KCO

10:57 AM  
Blogger Loki said...

The way I see it is if we are born into sin and a fallen world, then by nature we are sinners right. Well, homosexuality is a sin, and so is lying and cheating and lusting and idolatry and malice and strife and envy; we get the point. Now we all know that people struggle with certain sins more than other sins, for example what if I have had an attraction to girls at a young age and it turns into lust, does that make me better than the homosexual walking down the street, never! But I just tend to struggle with lust from a very very young age because it is something inside me that I can't explain but I just know I've always had a thing for girls. I think it's the same with homosexuals. But what triggers homosexuality in a person isn't the point, the fact of the matter is if they don't meet Jesus they're going to hell. Now with that being said, I believe if a homosexual isn't a Christian we should love and serve them the way Jesus would but the moment they call themselves a brother or sister in Christ there needs to be repentance at the foot of the cross and allowing God to do all things (even to become header sexual w/desires for the same sex and eventually overcome those desires) with Christ who strengthens us.

9:26 AM  
Blogger Loki said...

The way I see it is if we are born into sin and a fallen world, then by nature we are sinners right. Well, homosexuality is a sin, and so is lying and cheating and lusting and idolatry and malice and strife and envy; we get the point. Now we all know that people struggle with certain sins more than other sins, for example what if I have had an attraction to girls at a young age and it turns into lust, does that make me better than the homosexual walking down the street, never! But I just tend to struggle with lust from a very very young age because it is something inside me that I can't explain but I just know I've always had a thing for girls. I think it's the same with homosexuals. But what triggers homosexuality in a person isn't the point, the fact of the matter is if they don't meet Jesus they're going to hell. Now with that being said, I believe if a homosexual isn't a Christian we should love and serve them the way Jesus would but the moment they call themselves a brother or sister in Christ there needs to be repentance at the foot of the cross and allowing God to do all things (even to become header sexual w/desires for the same sex and eventually overcome those desires) with Christ who strengthens us.

9:27 AM  
Blogger KCO said...

Thanks for the comments Loki. You made some really good points.

You're right. Ultimately, if a person doesn't know Christ and rely on Him for salvation, then he is going to hell. And that's what really matters in the end.

But this life, while trying to live it out faithfully, carries many more severe earthly negative consequences for more severe sins. The sins of homosexuality, physical abuse, drunk driving, etc., are much more damaging than other sins like stealing a piece of candy or a "white lie" (so to speak). Even though God sees all sins as equal in that even the smallest of them is enough to send one to hell, that applies to the eternal hereafter. The sin of homosexuality causes a great deal of confusion and damage in our society today. That's what makes it such a touchy topic.

Let's remember the Bible's definition of true love as described in 1 Corinthians chapter 13:6 "Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth." Because of our love for them we must rejoice in the truth, that their sin is destroying them, never forgetting that our's is also destructive.

-KCO

6:55 PM  
Blogger KCO said...

Let me clarify that last statement. There is no rejoicing in the truth (the fact) "that their sin is destroying them". That's NOT what I meant to say.

What I was trying to communicate is that because we love them, we are not going to overlook the truth of their situation, which is that their sin is harmful and must be seen for what it really is.

True love (for the person) deals with and faces the truth (their sin as it is). It doesn't play some game like everything's okay. Hope that helps to clarify. Sorry for the mistype.
-KCO

7:28 PM  
Blogger Miguel said...

Ezekiel 16:49

"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy."


Under this definition of "Sodomy" Im also a Sodomite...

8:59 PM  
Blogger KCO said...

What are you tyring to say? You sound confused.

10:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Um, Miguel, have you ever used a dictionary? Or read Genesis?

I'm dead serious. These are whence we get the term. The word YOU'RE looking for may be "hedonist" or "glutton."

Minky

6:02 PM  
Blogger Alan said...

I can't even follow the logic of some of these liberals disguides as christians . Talk about being manipulated by the deciever , listen to
"THESE AUDIOS" of Tony Campolo and his wife , this man sounds just like a democrat running for office trying to get elected in an all homosexual district and his oponent is the "evil church " the foolish uninformed literal bible believing christians .
His wife well she is totally sold out to he homosexual crowd , she loves them too much but what should we really expect?
Doesn't it seem like liberal and christian just do not go together....anyway.
If you really want to know the slant ,spin and the garbage that is being spoken then you need to listen to these audios , if you can stand it long enough to get through it .
How can you call your self a christian and deny what the bible says about homosexuals .

10:46 PM  
Blogger Andrew Seely said...

Any word + christian probably doesn't go together. And if you look up Tony Campolo's interview on the Colbert Report from Comedy Central, you will hear those words out of his mouth.

Why must all of the commentors harp on people for what they say? I think Christ is more concerned about how we live our lives and what we do to serve fellow humans, rather than sitting around and talking about what we believe or don't believe.

I don't know any of you personally, but in all honestey and compassion, when is the last time you spent time with the poor or homeless? How frequent do you give your time volunteering for an orginization that serves the needy?

And to respond to the 2nd comment in this thread. Yes the bible doesn't say anything about people being born gay, but it also doesn't say anything about people being born with AIDS, but that doesn't mean that we need to dismiss those with AIDS or call them sinful because of their situation.

I also have to ask how many gay people do you regularlly spend time with? Christian or otherwise. Do you know them, do you participate in their daily lives? Do you listen to their stories of opression and segregation? Last time I checked Jesus was very clear about loving and accepting people where they were, especially those who were opressed and marginalized.

4:14 PM  

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