The Emerging Church (in their own words)
Thanks Brannon Howse of the Christian Worldview Network for THIS POST on the Emergent Church. I love how he continues to identify this movement as REBELLION, which is exactly what it is!Here are Brannon's comments:
"Want to hear what the Emerging Church believes in their own words? Click the link below to view an 11 minute video featuring people from an Emerging Church. Listen as they declare the Bible is not "static" or fixed absolute truth. Listen as they use four letter words to describe their theology and philosophy. Many things come to mind when viewing this video but one of the strongest messages I get is rebellion. This looks and sounds like a coffee house from the 1960s that is filled with a group of liberal hippies.
We could take you to thousands of churches throughout America that look and believe just like this one. Just because you may not have heard of the Emerging Church or understand it does not mean it is not a huge movement. Most Bible-believing Christians will wake up to this movement and what they are doing to their kids and grandkids long after it is too late."CLICK HERE to watch the video.
posted by kennyo at 9:41 PM
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Many evangelical churches have a mini-emergent church in their youth groups and the older folks don't even know it. They're heads are in the sand. They are afraid to look too closely for fear of what they will likely see, i.e., young people with a hip rock-star leader where they can dress any way they want, speak any way they want, be as irreverant as they want, "worship" any way they want and teach a just about anything they want without any accountability. This IS a reality and is going on all over the place.
-KCO
You're right Ken. You have been on top of this for some time now.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like this movement is increasing in intensity.
Many churches have such post-modern trends surfacing, usually in their Youth Group. It makes sense that someone who is 20 will go for this stuff more than someone who is 55! Their usual Modus Operandi is to infiltrate with the trendy youths. I am not sure if it is increasing in intensity or not, because the styles change more than the substance, not to say that there was ever too much substance to this movement. The threat to young believers or children of believers seems to be how little substance they are getting. It would be like basing your creed on a rock concert or an episode of 'Friends'!
Many adult believers throughout the Western World complain about the kids being fed this stuff, or at least that the flaky stuff is being used as a magnet to appeal to contemporary kids.
I find it interesting that many cults like GCI or Moonies or Mormons have great Websites! The best technology seems to be in the hands of religious groups with shoddy hermeneutics or manipulative leaders! Those with sound doctrine usually do not resort to 'techniques', but beware that the heretics will use modern technology to manipulate the young and impressionable.
Several posts down, I enjoyed the lively discussion, which is now up to about 14 comments!
Well I'm a conservative christian that will judge these people on this video :
They are NOT christians !
Agree! Analyze the content of a philosophy or doctrine. Do not view favorably anybody who comes to you with the term 'Christian'.
Making that term a psychological positive is dangerous although common. I attended an Evangelical conference here in Florida where the requirement for those displaying in their exposition was to be 'Evangelical'. We had many wacky organizations and people there who identified as 'Evangelical'. Some of them denied the Deity of Christ, others were Jewish or Adventist. Fine, they are NOT Christians!
I wonder if God loves these people... hmmm.
Joe , God loves all people even these people however , they are in error when they say the things they say ....remember they are calling themselves christians.
If I called myself a cat but never meowed like a cat or walked like a cat or acted like a cat then the other cats would know right away that I was not a cat and they would expose me to the other cats . Right?
Of course God loves them . Do you think one should stand by and not call these people out when they are spreading their "gospel" which totally contradicts the true Gospel ?
Is it that you do not understand the deception that is going on?
If you do not then you might need to study this issue more.
The Truth is not something you change to fit your world.
I get very offended when I see and hear these videos , when they call themselves christians and then re define the church it really gets me .
I really know nothing about you , of course,
I just hope that you are diving into this issue so you can understand the falsehoods and lies that are coming from the devil himself
Mike
For those who may not know:
This video is from Solomon's Porch, in Minneapolis, MN, a so-called "church", emergent movement. The main guy speaking is Doug Pagitt. He's one of the rising stars in the Emergent Church.
It is pure, unadulterated, confused and self-centered rebellion against the Holy Scriptures and God-ordained male church leadership and the American way of life.
I believe this group is primarily a leader-styled cult; and secondarily a doctrine-oriented cult. Sad thing is, it is also a dangerous movement among the youth and the confused that most older adults and church leaders are afraid to confront.
-KCO
"We could take you to thousands of churches throughout America that look and believe just like this one."
This is a false statement. There may be a couple of these in each of the largest cities, but there aren't thousands like Solomon's Porch.
"Most Bible-believing Christians will wake up to this movement and what they are doing to their kids and grandkids long after it is too late."
Exactly what kind of Bible thumping place have I wandered into at "Thinkerup"? Have you equated "Emerging" with Jehovah's Witness or Mormon's?
What do you offer which is a viable alternative? Would these people be welcome in your congregation? We might like to say they would be welcome, but would they really believe they are welcome, that they could ask questions of the average congregant (not just professional staff)?
Maybe they are a bit "pre-Christian", but how can the situation be redeemed? What would it be like to infiltrate such a group and ask questions and speak of orthodoxy?
If you did this in a loving way, and yet were asked to leave, then perhaps it is a cult to be equated with other cults. But if people genuinely wanted to hear more from you, would you be up to the task of genuinely loving and teaching them into the Kingdom of God?
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