Tony Campolo Does It Again
I am befuddled again by Tony Campolo's perspective on things. Why, I do not know. Maybe it is because so many christians see Campolo as one of them. I have my doubts about the guy. Not because he feeds the poor and helps the suffering children in Haiti but because of his wacked-out and screwy-heretical doctrinal views.His comments on the Ted Haggard thing reinforces my point.
You can read the whole thing HERE.
Below are some excerpts from the article.
Campolo's comments are italicized and mine are bold:
Campolo: "We have to wonder: What drove him [Mike Jones] into prostitution? From whence did he get that low self-concept which, according to sociologists who study prostitutes, always characterizes these precious children of God?"
KTO: What does he mean by referring to prostitutes and homosexuals as "precious children of God"? The bible calls people who love worldliness and reject Him his enemies (John 3:18, James 4:4), they are children of wrath (Eph. 2:1-3). Also it says in Psalm 7:11 that God is angry with the wicked everyday. The bible also says that those who practice these things will not inherit the kingdom of heaven (Eph. 5:3-6). These are hard truths found in scripture. I find no pleasure in this. I guess I just do not understand what Campolo means here.
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Campolo: "Do we, the Church, bear any responsibility for how Mike Jones might feel about himself? Might he have heard some of those sermons which define homosexuals as “abominations” in the eyes of God?"
KTO: So now we must avoid those passages of the bible? And isn't the acknowledgment of guilt an indication that conviction of sin might be on the way?--This is the Holy Spirit's doing isn't it? Is this something we should try and stop?
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Campolo: "Was it the war that so many leading Christians, including Mr. Haggard, have declared on the gay community that made Mike Jones feel that it was his “moral obligation” to expose the hypocrisy in evangelicalism?"
KTO: Should we applaud Mike Jones for making a decision based on a "moral obligation"? How ironic is that? This is so Campolo-esque.
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Campolo: "In the midst of all the turmoil, confusion, and disillusionment, it is all too easy to ignore the suffering of Mike Jones, the male prostitute who blew the whistle on our brother Ted. Mike also will be hurt. His life will never be the same. He will always be scorned and a marked man.".... "I have heard so many of my colleagues in ministry express deep concerns over what this scandal will do to the image of the evangelical movement, but I have heard little concern among us for how all of this will impact those Christian gays and lesbians that we know."
KTO: ... OK we're concerned about the image of evangelicalism, Campolo is concerned about the image of Mike Jones and the difficulty this may cause gay "christians" (oxymoron). Ummmm.... what about the real issue here--God's name being profaned and disgraced? Not Ted's, not Mike Jones' (Ezekiel 36). Shouldn't the focus be on God and how this sin has caused His name and image to be disgraced by a man claiming to be one of His followers? Tony I would recommend you stop dwelling on people and start looking to God.
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Campolo: "They [homosexuals and lesbians] are in our churches. They teach in our Sunday schools and sing in our choirs. Most of them are closeted brothers and sisters who suffer in ways that are impossible for the rest of us to even imagine. They are good people who do not take drugs or visit prostitutes. Will the ugliness of this sorry mess feed a diabolical stereotype of them, which is too often circulated in our churches by unkind preachers who have little, if any, understanding of homosexuals?"
KTO: Tony, pick a side. Either go with the Bible or go with pop-culture and deny the Scripture. Please quit riding the fence. Once again, the one taking an unpopular Biblical stance is in the wrong and the victims are the persecuted gay and lesbian Sunday School teachers abused by diabolical stereotypes, thanks to the preacher. Is Campolo really serious?
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Campolo: "Right now, both Ted and Mike are facing the dark side of their humanity. Are we willing to affirm them by declaring loud and clear that there is something of infinite worth in each of them?"
KTO: HUH? What kind of inclusivistic universalism is this? What is the "something of infinite worth" in them? In God's eyes they are just as dark and filthy as the rest of us. Tony, no one is righteous, no not one. If Ted is a christian, and as far as I know he is, then he is clothed in Christ's righteousness. He must be dealt with biblically. If Mike Jones is not a christian, and as far as I know he is not (especially after all of this mess) then he is under God's wrath and needs to repent under the Holy Spirit's conviction of sin before he can be seen with any "infinite worth".
--Your comments are welcomed.
posted by kennyo at 12:57 AM
10 Comments:
Good work on Campolo, Kenny. I don't give him the benefit of the doubt anymore. When I was in college, he was one of my heroes in the faith I didn't have.
God bless you, Brother,
Phil Perkins.
Campolo is using this incident to ATTACK the Body of Christ, the church. He is mocking the preacher who would preach the Biblical, God ordained words of God when the LORD did call homosexuality an abomination (Lev. 18:22 KJV). God said it! How dare Campolo bring judgement on the man who speaks the divine oracles of God! He is attacking God's words. The preacher that preaches it is being obedient to God, not men.
Also, If there are lesbians and homosexuals teaching in your churches, then shame on the leadership of those churches! Those churches most likely are NOT preaching holiness or separation from the world. The leaders should bring the proper, loving church discipline upon those caught in this sinful lifestyle trap, remove them from a teaching position and restore them.
Where are all of the evangelical leaders on these issues? Most church leaders I know of, at least within among the Baptists and some from UBC, think Campolo is wonderful and approve of him. Wow!
-KCO
Campolo is using this incident to ATTACK the Body of Christ, the church. He is mocking the preacher who would preach the Biblical, God ordained words of God when the LORD did call homosexuality an abomination (Lev. 18:22 KJV). God said it! How dare Campolo bring judgement on the man who speaks the divine oracles of God! He is attacking God's words. The preacher that preaches it is being obedient to God, not men.
Also, If there are lesbians and homosexuals teaching in your churches, then shame on the leadership of those churches! Those churches most likely are NOT preaching holiness or separation from the world. The leaders should bring the proper, loving church discipline upon those caught in this sinful lifestyle trap, remove them from a teaching position and restore them.
Where are all of the evangelical leaders on these issues? Most church leaders I know of, at least within among the Baptists and some from UBC, think Campolo is wonderful and approve of him. Wow!
-KCO
Well said. The more I read of Campolo the more concerned I get.
Tony's comments make me sick.
This man is suppose to be a christian ?
WOW!
TALK ABOUT CONFUSION.
Campolo is the keynote speaker this week at Christian Camping & Conference Association's annual convention. This is the primary membership organization for Christian camps.
Don't forget Campolo was with Clinton when he emerged from Ron Brown's funeral laughing with Campolo over something and the minute Clinton say the cameras, he feigned crying.
Campolo was a Clinton apologist. He has been preaching a false gospel for years.
He was emergent before emergent was cool. I remember many years ago he spoke at a Christian convention. About 1/2 of the audience waited to go to the restroom when he came on. It was very embarrassing and quite obvious what the crowd thought of him but were too polite to boo him off the stage!
He was never invited back to that denomination again.
"Then those who feared the LORD spoke to one another, and the LORD listened and heard them; so a book of rememberance was written before Him for those who fear His name. "They shall be Mine," says the LORD of hosts, "on the day that I make them My jewels, and I will spare them as a man spares his own son who serves him." Then you shall again discern between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve Him. Mal. 3: 16-18.
"Now therefore, listen to me my children, for blessed are those who keep my ways. Hear instruction and be wise, and do not disdain it. Blessed is the man who listens to me, watching dailyat my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors. For whoever finds me finds life, and obtains favor from the LORD; but he who sins against me wrongs his own soul; all those who hate me love death." Pro. 8:32-36
For God did not call us to uncleanness, but in holiness. Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who has also given us His Holy Spirit.
1 Thes. 4:7-8
I urge all reading this to pray earnestly for the Holy Spirit sanctify the church in Truth, the WORD being Truth. Pray for church leaders: local, national and international so that their faith doesn't fail; and that they stand IN and FOR the WORD of GOD!!!
Well said, I started listening to Campolo's messages awhile back and at first he seemed to be alright, albeit a little too focused on the social aspects of government and the church. However the more I hear of him I think he is going off the deep end and has formed a god of his own design, one that he thinks the public will like. The problem is that anyone that sits down and follows his logic through to the obvious conclusion will begin to truly question the root of his information. The big question being did God change from the old to new testament? Because if all your going to do is follow the red letters, this means that all the black letters in the Bible are to be ignored. I guess the only way He can explain things is to say that God changed and now all people are saved as a result of Christ's blood (universalism) and now the main goal is to being heaven to earth.
"What does he mean by referring to prostitutes and homosexuals as "precious children of God"?"
You go on in this section to describe sinners in a way that Jesus never would. Your reaction to them, I assume, would be in a way that Jesus would not react.
The Pharisees were right... yet Jesus rebuked them because their attitude toward people sucked. I find many of the people on the net berating Campolo while screaming righteousness and holiness seem to have more in common with the Pharisees than Jesus. Who do you want to be more like? Jesus had tons of patience and grace for rule breakers who were broken, but little patience for the rule keepers pointing at everyone else's lives.
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